Extreme Michael Jackson

interview with Charles Thomson part 5

We are talking with music journalist Charles Thomson about the press, Michael Jackson, MJ fans, conspiracy theories, and how a bizarre combination of these things ran amok.

Note to friends who left comments, and those who didn’t, bewildered by parts of the interview that seemingly generalized all of us fans as obsessive. As one reader kindly pointed out, this is a VERY LONG interview and Mr. Thomson made the context very clear at the beginning of the interview- the incidents and obsessed that he is referring to

 

Charles Thomson beside Michael Jackson's star.

 

are a SMALL PERCENTAGE of us, not the majority of us. Please don’t be led out of context because this interview was over 7000 words. It was my editorial decision, for simplification of reading, to post over six or seven installments, and should not alter the cohesive meaning of Charles’ responses to my questions. Thank you.

Read the rest:

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Click here if you missed part three:

Click here if you missed part four:

Moving on:

There seems to be a phenomenon happening where some fans or bloggers or writers feel they have a monopoly on Michael’s legacy. While for the most part, I feel an extraordinary kinship and love as part of Michael’s fandom, there are some unfortunate divisions. Why can’t we all just get along?

I think it is a shame that there is so much bickering, in-fighting, drama and division in the fan community. If the community was motivated and united with common goals, there would be a real and tangible possibility of affecting some change.

As it is, there are too many people trying to wrestle the fans’ attention from one another. They each have their own theory on Michael Jackson’s death, their own set of goals and their own set of enemies. Some are after Steve Cooley and want Murray’s charges raised. Some are after Sony. Some are after AEG. Some are fighting for media reform. Some are after John Branca. Some are even trying to track down Gavin Arvizzo and force him to come clean. Meanwhile, writers like Andrea Peyser are overtly calling Michael Jackson a child molester in print and the issue is buried because everybody’s focus is split and they’re all distracted.

Some of the investigations and campaigns are valid. Others are wild goose chases and those are the ones that annoy me. There are bloggers who claim to be conducting ‘investigations’ into Michael Jackson’s death, but they’re not investigations at all. In an investigation you gather all of the available evidence and draw logical conclusions. But many of these bloggers have already made their minds up. Their ‘conclusion’ is preconceived and they simply ignore any evidence that undermines it. A small example would be the bloggers who constantly accuse me of only writing pro-Michael Jackson articles after he died when even the most superficial research would show them that I’ve been overtly in his corner since 2008.

A lot of Michael Jackson’s fans viewed him like a family member or a loved one, while others saw him as an angel or even as a God. For many of these people, his death has wreaked havoc on their lives. They ate, slept and breathed Michael Jackson. Now that he’s gone, it’s left a huge hole in their lives. Also, they’re confused and they want answers. For some, Michael Jackson was so enormous that they can’t conceive of him being killed by anything which wasn’t equally enormous, such as a global conspiracy. These vulnerable fans are taken in and effectively brainwashed by bloggers peddling theories that aren’t supported by any tangible or legally admissible evidence. It’s all hearsay, dubious connections and enormous leaps of faith. It’s hard to tell whether these bloggers have actually convinced themselves that what they’re writing is true, or whether they’re just doing it for attention. Either way, I find it frustrating to see vulnerable fans suckered in by them.

You’ve been criticized for expressing that there were some artistic choices Jackson made that didn’t appeal to you. Can you comment?

Only to reiterate that I fail to see what my views on Michael Jackson’s work have to do with my views on his legal problems. The two are entirely unrelated to one another and I am perpetually baffled by fans who will brand me a ‘hypocrite’ for believing in Jackson’s innocence but not liking his mimed concerts.

Some of Michael Jackson’s fans simply cannot accept any criticism, or even perceived criticism, of their idol. I was recently asked on twitter who I thought was the greatest entertainer of all time. I answered ‘James Brown’ and found myself on the receiving end of numerous nasty tweets, containing insults directed at both myself and James Brown, simply because I hadn’t picked Michael Jackson! (NB from Lorette: This is particularly ironic, since Michael Jackson worshiped James Brown and watched him intently to learn his own craft!)

You would think that Michael Jackson’s fans would be grateful to have somebody in his corner who the media cannot immediately palm off as a crazy fan. Unfortunately, some of them seem to despise me specifically because I’m not a crazy fan.

For me, pretending a hero is beyond reproach, or pretending that every song or performance must appeal to every audience, means a danger of losing our critical faculty. Michael Jackson himself was far more critical of his work than even his toughest detractors. Can you comment on that?

I can’t comment on whether Michael Jackson was more critical of his work than anybody else, but what I will say is that it is absurd to have a fan community in which people are scared to level any criticism at any aspect of Michael Jackson’s life or career for fear of being labelled a ‘hater’ or cast out and told that they’re not a ‘real fan’. There are fans who view saying ‘History Tour was rubbish’ as being on par with saying ‘Michael Jackson molested children’. I just think those fans need a reality check.

I understand that Michael Jackson’s fans are defensive after the years of abuse he got from the media, but some take it to the extreme and they actually end up worsening people’s impressions of Jackson and his fans rather than improving them. There is a climate of fear in the fan community among those who view Jackson realistically. I’ve seen fansites ban members for stating facts, such as that Jackson wore a wig or that the HIStory Tour was largely mimed. I’ve also seen fansites ban members for common sense statements such as that it was unwise for Jackson to let kids into his bedroom after the 1993 ordeal. When you’re so defensive that you view factual information or common sense statements as ‘negativity’ or ‘hate’, you have a problem.

I also feel it is dangerous to sweep things under the rug in order to sanitize someone’s reputation. We can’t get over stigmas and taboos about, for example, drug addiction, until we are able to honestly discuss such struggles. I’ve been criticized for referring to Jackson’s substance struggles, which is ironic given my own historical struggles and losses. Doesn’t it diminish Michael’s very humanity if we just leave important parts of the puzzle blank? In a sense, denying Jackson’s various struggles means denying his pain, the pain our society caused him.

I made almost exactly the same comment after the ‘addiction’ incident on twitter. Michael Jackson’s struggles with drugs are an important part of the narrative. This is a guy who went from refusing to even drink Pepsi to doctor-shopping for prescription meds and keeping open liquor bottles beside his bed. He went from being the brightest young talent in the world, often described as a shrewd, hands-on businessman, to a debt-ridden addict who was described, even by helpful defense witnesses during his trial, as often walking around his property completely intoxicated. Do we really want to remove the culpability for this from those who did it to him?

That transformation is attributable directly, I feel, to the allegations that were levelled against him and the way in which the media covered them. I think Jackson’s spirit was broken to such an extent that he began to wonder, ‘What’s the point?’ He abandoned his life-long refusal to use alcohol or drugs and wound up having recurring problems with chemical dependencies.

To airbrush his dependencies out of the narrative is to understate the impact of the allegations, the trial and the media’s shameful reporting. It is, essentially, to relieve Sneddon, Zonen, the Chandlers, the Arvizos and the media of some of the responsibility they must shoulder for what happened to Michael Jackson.

Jackson’s own relatives have given interviews since he died in which they’ve said that they knew he was addicted to drugs and they tried to stage numerous interventions, but were thwarted by Jackson’s state of denial and sometimes by his security staff. I’m not going to be so arrogant as to sit here and say that I know better. If fans want to claim that they know more about Michael Jackson than his own relatives, that is their prerogative. But the family knew him, I didn’t, and I’m not going to brand them liars.

You’ve also received support throughout this time. Tell me about that.

I have received a lot of support from Michael’s fans during this last couple of months. For every piece of hate mail, I probably got three or four supportive emails. As I said earlier, I think that those who attack me – be they pro-Jackson or anti-Jackson – tend to be from extreme ends of the spectrum. Obsessive, emotional, reactionary and easily led. Many of Jackson’s fans don’t come from this extreme end of the spectrum and their support has been invaluable.

While I was in LA I was recognised at my hotel by a group of fans. At first I was a bit unnerved by the experience but I’m glad I spent a lot of time chatting to those fans because they got to know me one on one and they can see how absurd the claims are which are being made against me. I’ve seen some of those fans fighting my corner these last few months and I’m grateful for that.

I’ve also had high profile support. I’ve been fortunate enough to have J Randy Taraborrelli publicly declare his support for me. Aphrodite Jones too. I also received a message from a Jackson family member back when it was all kicking off, telling me that the people going after me have even gone after Michael Jackson’s grieving mother and not to pay them any attention.

 

Charles Thomson with Wax Poetics writer Tony Best at Forest Lawn

 

Stay tuned for the final installment this weekend….cheers, Lorette

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October 7, 2010 - Posted by | michael jackson, Michael Jackson death, Michael Jackson fans, michael jackson genius, Michael Jackson media, Michael Jackson murder | , ,

13 Comments »

  1. This maybe a long comment so I apolagise now.

    1) If you look at the comment I made on part 4 it was a warning not a critism or attack, just wanna make that clear.
    As Charles said himself people take segments of a interview or whatever then label it as fact without showing the entire piece which is why I said he should be careful.

    2) Drug addiction! A very touchy subject in the community.
    I remember when the attack on Charles took off and I spoke to fans and Charles and said that for people to say “MJ was never addicted to drugs ever” is insane.
    Why? MJ himself used the words “my addiction”. That is what annoys me when people say that he never had an addiction. But then i saw why some fans don’t like that word.
    They consider addiction meaning getting high/ watching the room spin. That certainly isn’t my interpretation.
    However, something that is mentioned in this interview is not necessarily correct.
    My brother has a rare back condition and has very powerful painkillers to help him sleep (sound familiar). After taking these drugs he is almost knocked out, incoherent and can’t stand up straight.
    I’m not gunna say what is said in the interview was wrong but as also said everything needs to be considered.
    I think why it’s such an issue is the fact that people were saying “Mj had 100s of painkillers in his stomach” which is a complete fabrication just after he died.
    On page 1 of the autopsy report, it states that MJ was, at the time of death, taking Lorazepam, Flomax, Diazepam, Trazodone and Clonazepam. Lorazepam is Ativan, Diazepam is Valium, Trazodone is an antidepressant, Clonazepam is used for seizures and panic disorder, and Flomax is used to treat the symptoms of an enlarged prostate. (p. 1) Cause of death is listed as acute propofol intoxication and benzodiazepine effect is listed as “contributing but not immediate cause” of death. No pills were found in the autopsy anywhere!
    Now according to a lot of sources Michael was confronted by Randy Phillips and told to stop taking the drugs Klien had administered and only take Murrays. If you want to see a timeline suggest going to this blog http://mjandjustice4some.blogspot.com/
    For those who will say well this is a biased blog with it’s own agenda, they have provided some of the best research about MJ’s death, and are open to debate about any part of an article you may disagree with.
    The article for the timeline is Katherine Jackson Files Suit against AEG.

    This is why I believe fans get so defensive about the drug addiction claims. But hey if i keep going i’ll be writing a bloody blogs worth sorry admin.

    Comment by Chris | October 7, 2010 | Reply

    • That’s very true Dave, I think it’s the image that the word “addiction” conjours up that upsets fans. I appreciate that Charles is clarifying why he feels it’s important to acknowledge (what I prefer to call) Michael’s chemical denpendency on prescription medications. In my opinion Charles is clearly not saying to defame or tarnish Michael’s image, but rather to show the damage that had been done to Michael’s spirit because of the allegations and the media distortion of the facts. I must say that I agree with him about why that is so important in the grand scheme of things. I think especially now before the upcoming Murray trial and the AEG lawsuit it’s very important to understand every part of the puzzle (as Charles said) fits together.

      P.S. Dave, though I respect Charles’ right to have his own opinion about the History Tour I must say it’s one of favorites to watch :) That’s okay though, I don’t expect to agree with him on everything.

      Comment by Anna | October 8, 2010 | Reply

    • Thanks to everyone for writing, and sharing information and thoughts, and never be sorry. Brief, long, I welcome comments and discussion.

      Comment by Lorette C. Luzajic | October 8, 2010 | Reply

      • I always start with the intention of writing something as short as possible then it just escolates lol.
        I’m pleased that you allow your blog to be open to discussion some just shut you down if you don’t agree whats written in each article.
        Something i didn’t say yesterday was his and your point on divisions.
        I agree about that for me personally I hold MJs humanitarian efforts to be recognised top priority but everyone has there own view.
        That is also why I strongly support William Wagener cos if Sneddon were indicted with Zonen etc a lot of non mj fans would have to sit back and say “wow he was treated like shit” and if you can sway public opinion the pressure will be on them to act.
        Another serperate group is defamination law which is also a very good cause. So its hard to pull in same direction cos everyone wants the thing they see as top priority done ASAP.

        Comment by Chris | October 8, 2010

  2. All good points Chris.

    CT, in my opinion is trying to tread the path that the journalists, or rather hacks, who spent a lifetime destroying Jackson should have done – and just trying to get to the truth.

    The question, and I think it’s an important one, is do we as supporters of the movement for Michael’s vindication want an emotional, conspiracist in our corner chasing shadows and phantoms or do we want a careful, strong and unbiased journalist who is clearly his ‘own man,’ to go after those who railroaded an exceptional human being and hold them publicly to account?

    I know which box I tick.

    Welcome back CT. There are thousands of us who are grateful to see you haven’t been cowed by the ravings of Crazy Coxie who – if her latest insanity on her much less trafficked blog is anything to by – is now approaching the final destination of crazytown.

    Mike is what’s important and everyone needs to remember that. You stand for him, and in my book that’s what counts.

    No offence CT, but I couldn’t give a rats ass what you think of History. Personally I loved it, and I saw the master on tour many times. What I want is for the media to be shamed, bluntly and constantly told they are a pack of jackals who have blood on their hands.

    So tell the world what was done CT. And don’t let crazy housewives from nowheresville stop you. You have a powerful voice.

    Use it.

    Comment by Dave | October 7, 2010 | Reply

    • I tip my hat to you, sir. Well said. CT’s personal opinions on Michael, what he liked and disliked about the man, are his own business. The fact that so many people got SO MAD over that, or about him stating the obvious (Michael was a recovering addict. Period.) is insane. So not worth all this hate. I’ve spoken to fans who are just as critical of some decisions Michael has made, but they love him as much as the next fan, and realize that he was innocent to the grave.

      To me, what’s important is continuing to expose the liars and sleazebags in the mainstream media. What’s important is getting the real story out there to people, and opening their eyes to just how much they’ve been lied to. People have clearly lost sight of that.

      All this infighting and pointing fingers at the wrong people is slowing the process. It’s not helping Michael to get his vindication.

      Comment by Jess | October 8, 2010 | Reply

  3. First of all I’m glad Charles Thomson is still on board with us Michael Jackson fans, or maybe it’s better to say the majority of the fans.
    Because I follow CT on Twitter, I witnessed a piece of the war going on after the ‘addiction incident’. It’s true that we are defensive after the years of abuse Michael got from the media, but some comments really went too far. More than once I thought how Michael would hate this.
    However, one point of view sticked in my memory. Some Tweets stated: you’re helping Murray. These were not the exact words, but what I want to say is that this is a fear I understand very well.
    The Murray defense team does everything in it’s power to prove that Murray did nothing wrong and Michael’s death was his own fault. They even went so far to say that Michael administered the lethal dose of Propofol himself. And let’s not forget the rumours spread about exhumation of his body and them wanting Michael’s children to testify that their father was an addict. And of course the tabloid media jumps on that band wagon.

    What I want to say is that we, the fans are in a mourning process and Michael’s struggle with drugs is a very sensitive subject in relation to the fear of the fans that Murray will walk.
    Of course it isn’t right to take it out on a journalist who has nothing to do with Michael’s death. But I believe for some fans, who love Michael as if he was a family member, the words ‘Michael’ and ‘addiction’ work like a red flag.

    There’s another point I like to bring up. Michael’s autopsy report stated that his organs were not damaged. It is a fact that long term and strong drug abuse damages the organs. For us, the fans a strong point to hold on to.

    Comment by Nightflower | October 8, 2010 | Reply

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  5. I just have to comment to say that it is a shame that some people are so fanatical that they miss the big picture. Michael Jackson was a human being first and foremost before he was an amazing entertainer and humanitarian. He gave it everything he had for the majority of his life. I agree with CT in saying that Michael’s problems stemmed from the allegations back in 1993. People who don’t know any better were listening to what was being fed to them by the media, which was absurd. My great pain for Michael Jackson is that the Chandlers took the one thing that they knew would break him and it did. The mere allegation was enough to ruin his reputation and kill his spirit. I personally feel that he went into a tailspin around that time which resulted in the marriage to LMP before they really knew each other and the demise of that marriage further fueled a problem for him. He wanted children desparately, by his own admission, and that fueled even more disparaging comments from people as well as more problems for him. The man was damned if he did and damned if he didn’t for the most part from 1993 on. When a person’s spirit is broken, they tend to lean on crutches to get by whether it be drugs or alcohol or food, etc. I also think that he suffered injuries that caused a problem as well. I never knew until recently about the injury he suffered in 1999 when the bridge he was standing on while performing “Earth Song” fell completely into the orchestra pit. He somehow managed to climb out of the pit and finish the song, but suffered injuries as a result. You take his other health problems and his emotional pain and you can see it took its toll on him. It absolutely breaks my heart for him. Having said that — the man was more beloved by millions than probably any other entertainer cumulutively. The haters are just ignorant, which is one of the facets of hate. People like Bonnie Cox to me are the equivalent of individuals who feel that abortion is wrong, but killing the abortion doctor is ok. It’s a shame that she is making Charles Thomson feel the need to defend himself when he really doesn’t have to. He is one of the few, and I stress the word “few,” journalists who has the integrity to speak the truth about Michael and to defend him. Mainstream media does not and has not ever wanted to defend him. So we have to support the ones that do and lift them up so they will continue to do so.

    You know it’s also sad to me that some people truly believe that Michael faked his death. While I would love nothing more to have him still here, how cruel would that be? After everything that man endured and suffered, he still got up and went on so I cannot fathom that he would ever do something like that. You can see the grief on his mother’s face to know he didn’t do that.

    I truly believe that Michael always felt he was doing the right thing, but what judged nonetheless. Had it been me, the last thing I would have done after the 1993 debacle was have children anywhere near the inside of my home and would have never been alone with any child. But you know, if greed gets in the middle it wouldn’t have mattered whether he did or didn’t have the Arvizo kids in his room –all they would have had to do was say it and the results would have been the same. I truly believe that the Bashir thing was a setup from the get go. I also do not know how Mr. Bashir sleeps at night for what he did, but then that could be said for countless others as well.

    In regard to the HIStory tour, I don’t care how he did it –it was great and he looked great. Age has a way of making things more difficult. I have watched everything that I could on him and you can see that there were times that the Jackson 5 mimed. It had to be enormously difficult to do the dancing and try to maintain enough breath to sing and sound good. He looked great and did a great job. He was definitely the greatest entertainer ever!

    Comment by Jules | October 8, 2010 | Reply

  6. I wonder Lorette which one are your sources to afirm that:

    1) often walking around his property completely intoxicated

    2) He abandoned his life-long refusal to use alcohol or drugs.

    Just wonder… thanks!

    Comment by Beatriz | October 17, 2010 | Reply

    • Beatriz, those comments were by Charles, not me, and as he mentioned, MJ’s defense witnesses talked about it,and his family was gravely concerned as well. Joe Jackson, not my favourite character but his father nonetheless, wanted to get him into rehab. Indeed, he had been in rehab unsuccessfully. The Jackson family lawyer also warned them that Michael was taking way too many painkillers. Michael Jackson himself admitted during legal investigations concerning some documents he had signed that he could not recall signing them because he was under the influence of prescription medication and did not know what was going on.

      It’s not really a big secret, Beatriz. It’s not shocking at all. People who have major accidents often get hooked on or use too many prescription drugs, as well as people in emotional pain. Addiction is not a dirty word,it’s a human word. We want to live in the absence of pain, whether mental or physical, and that’s totally valid.

      Unfortunately, sometimes we get lost and cause ourselves more problems.And once you’re there, it’s almost impossible to quit.

      In the end, I have no actual “proof” that MJ used drugs,since I’ve never been at a party or in the hospital with him. But surely you’ve heard his song, Morphine? It’s a love song, one that could only be written by someone with an intimate understanding of the push and pull, the peace and the desperation. Listen to the song. It’s brilliant. It’s huge and crashing and grating on the nerves, a cacophony of noise. Then, all that gives way to peace, as the contents of the pills/needles flood the narrator’s brain and body, and the song slows down into a blissful spring in a meadow.

      from Morphine by M.J.

      Trust in me
      Just in me
      Put all your trust in me
      You’re doin’ morphine

      Go’on babe

      Relax
      This won’t hurt you
      Before I put it in
      Close your eyes and count to ten

      Don’t cry
      I won’t convert you
      There’s no need to dismay
      Close your eyes and drift away

      Demerol
      Demerol
      Oh God he’s taking Demerol

      Demerol
      Demerol
      Oh God he’s taking Demerol

      He’s tried
      Hard to convince her
      To be over what he had
      Today he wants it twice as bad

      Don’t cry
      I won’t resent you
      Yesterday you had his trust
      Today he’s taking twice as much

      Demerol
      Demerol
      Oh God he’s taking Demerol

      Comment by Lorette C. Luzajic | October 17, 2010 | Reply

  7. Thank you Lorette, I understand now why fans don’t like Charles Thomson. Now I have the will to read him deeply and guess I will get the same conclusions they had.
    I know of course about his adiction, but thank you for remember it to me.
    I should question Charles then how he can afirm that “walking around his property completely intoxicated” and “He abandoned his life-long refusal to use alcohol or drugs”!!
    Charles was drinking from the baby bottle yet when Michael had this problems. May be the “great biographer” Tarraboreli told him about it? if this is the case, what a serious resource!
    People get mad not because they are fanatics blinds, but because the lies of these people, Charles, Tarraboreli and so many others.
    Besides the lies, why they are focus in Michael’s painkillers adiction?
    How many people in USA, particularly in Hollywood, are clean of that?
    It’s the only bad thing about him, and I say bad because he felt very guilty about it.
    I don’t see Charles talking about his outstanding personality, his genious, his art, his creativity, his unconditional love, and so many others qualities that make him so unique.
    I’m an old woman, so I’m not in a position to become crazy fan of any star, I’m really not. I’m just saying what he is,
    and who doesn’t agree is a denier.

    Comment by Beatriz | October 18, 2010 | Reply

    • I suggest you go to http://www.MJJ-777.com and look at the 15th of october article looks like your research is more questionable/biased than his.
      “I don’t see Charles talking about his outstanding personality, his genious, his art, his creativity, his unconditional love, and so many others qualities that make him so unique.”

      No he talks about his undeniable innocence which is what we need not a journalist that says everything the fans wanna here.

      Comment by Chris | October 18, 2010 | Reply


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